Post #4: 1984 - Book 2.1-4
Whoa! that dark-haired girl becomes a major player. . . .the Golden Country. . . .and back to Mr. Charrington's again...
1. Does the world of 1984 encourage a sensory-rich or a sensory-deprived world? Discuss. (Compare/Contrast with the golden country?)
2. (103) Why did the thrush's song have such a strong impact on Winston? "Perhaps at the other end of the instrument some small, bettle-like man was listening intently--listening to that."
3. How does Winston's rebellion differ from Julia's? (109) (And why might Orwell's point be?)
4. That room above Mr. Charrington's shop. . . what strikes you as significant: detail? symbol? theme? etc.
1. Definitely sensory deprived. It is flat, gloomy, and monochrome unlike the golden country.
ReplyDelete2. I think the idea of life and the freedom that the thrush has. Birds, throughout literature, assume the symbol of complete freedom which Winston does not have. Upon hearing this, he revels in that idea once again, solidifying his independent attitude that the party cannot control.
3. Winston wants complete rebellion whereas Julia wants "to rebel from the waist down." She wants to have her own personal triumph from tricking the Party but not full scale rebellion. I think Orwell's point is that some only seek for their personal freedom instead of complete and how the party wants sexuality as a whole to be driven in another area- to support Big Brother.
4. I think the rat is a big detail. Rats are characterized as dirty, sneaky, and known for espionage as a symbol. It is reiterating the fact that although they have their new bubble of happiness, there is still danger staring them in the face. Also the paperweight as a reminder of the past and the power of the proles. When Winston [earlier] contemplated hitting Julia [symbol of the Party (at that time)][because she was tailing him] with the paperweight, it showed an act of rebellion and how the past can come back to bite the Party. The Past is steadfast, orderly, and because it is a tool of writing, also shows a aspect of freedom.
The government,or Big Brother, wants it to be a sensory deprived environment for the citizens. I think that when its sensory deprived then the people have less distractions and can focus more on what Big Brother/The Party want from them. It just shows more of the control that the government has on the people. They think that it's the perfect environment, which means that they won't want to leave, which is what Big Brother wants. He wants control, and to make sure that everybody thinks that theyre happy even though they may not be.
ReplyDeleteSensory deprived totally agree with emma about how it is meant to minimize distractions and so they can relay on the ideas that are produced soley by the party. He wants to control there emotions, thoughts and life. The golden Country however is green and full of life in contrast to the concrete world of the Party. There is freedom and happiness and differences between individuals. Unlike the controlling mellowing world of the party. The bed strikes me as a symbol of love between him and his wife as he truly loved his wife and is sentimental about the room and the bed and other furniture of the room. Also the books symbolizing the knowledge that is hidden in the proles and the lost knowledge of the past that this elderly man still holds
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ReplyDelete1. sensory deprived. its ironic that the golden country is deprived of devices that sense while the city is full of them.
ReplyDelete2. i believe why the thrush's song has such a big impact on wintson is that the thrush was there to help cover any possible microphones there might have been in the trees. the reassurance that nature wants what he wants helps and motivates him.
ok, so completely ignore the post of mine from last time.
ReplyDeleteThe time of 1984 definitely strives on a sensory deprived world. The city is gray and dirty, running down, and not appealing at all. Whereas the Golden Country fills the senses, it's an escape for the characters, not just in the literal sense so that they can be alone, but also as a connection to the way things are and were supposed to be. It shows a freedom that they don't know back in London. They see, feel, and smell things that they wouldn't have noticed if they stayed in town.
When Winston refers to "That" for the song of the bird, you could kind of sense that he was taken away by it, that he's never really heard anything like that in a long time, or ever. To him it was a special moment, and he got to share it with Julia who is special in his life. With her he gets to see, feel, and hear things that he could have just assumed weren't actually real. Previously, he was doubting himself as to whether the things that he was dreaming about in the past were real or not. When he heard the thrush, to me it seemed as if he had an awakening of a sort, he began living again. He had a hope.
I think that the main difference between Winston and Julia is that Winston wants to bring down the Party, while Julia is only trying to be personally rebellious towards the Party. She comes across as sort of selfish because of this, but she is only trying to gain a small amount of freedom for herself. I think she is sort of a foil for Winston. She represents everything that he isn't: outwardly sexual, practical, realistic, intuitive, survivalistic, and most importantly indifference to the Party's inner workings. I think Orwell made Julia because he needed a character who could explain the reason why the Party restrains sexuality.
ReplyDeleteok..i agree with that WInston wants rebellion against the government..he wants to bring them down..while julia wants rebellion just to be able to please what she wants to do..
ReplyDeleteAnd i totally agree that its sensory deprived because they want to be able to control everyones life so they try to control what every person does in their life..
What i don't understand is about the song they sing of st.clement church...What is that about?
To Diana's: I agree that Winston wants a rebellion against the government as well and since julia wants rebellion to just to be able to do what she wants to do if she helps winston rebel against the government and wins she will be able to do what she wants when she wants and how she wants.
ReplyDeleteI'm confused about the note she gave him that said "i love you"......did she fall on purpose?
The note gave Winston a powerful urge to live.....Awwwwwww they sit together ...how cute.
Is Winston Okay?... why would he tell her that the more men shes been with the more he loves her.
I thought Winston was a nice guy so why did he think about pushing his wife off a cliff and why would he say that to a girl he LIKES.
And whats with the rat?
1. 1984 is most definitely sensory-deprived. The Golden country beautiful, bright, and lively compared to what they live in now which is flat, cold, and gray except for the sky.
ReplyDelete2.he is intrigued by the thrushes song. He wonders for who, and what, the bird was singing for. He also says that if he and Julia speak a little below a whisper if there were hidden microphones out where they were they wouldn't be detected.
3. Winston rebels with doing things such as keeping a diary, having thoughts but doesn't say them out loud, and going for walks by himself. While Julia however rebels by having sex because it is something big brother is trying to control and make as a chore instead of an act of love.
I CANNOT believe how violent Winston is AND Julie they are like the Bonnie and Clyde of soon to be serial killers.
ReplyDeleteOh btw i get the rats now... it was just random to me.
And have we just been oblivious to how violent he is or does Julie just bring out the worst... i mean she laughed delightedly when Winston told her that he wanted to rape her and kill her.
.....psycho....
I remember during class we had discussed the way that Orwell portrays women may be due to a slighlty sexist leaning. Could the difference between Julia's and Winston's ideas of rebellion be a reflection of this? Julia is only concerned with person freedom and enjoyment.
ReplyDeleteTo Shambre: I think that Julia falling was her way of getting him to make contact with her with out being obvious about it.
Also, Winston's love for Julia grows as the the number of men she sleeps with increases because that means that more Party members are rebelling. This is a reiteration of Winston's desire for a full scale revolt against the Party.